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January 27, 2006
First Comes Flip, Then Comes Reno on Hancock
Speaking of Bed Stuy, here's a semi-recent sale that was brought to our attention. This 22-footer at 215 Hancock recently traded hands at the end of last summer for $899,000. We hear that the seller was a broker who flipped it for a tidy profit of about $375,000 in less than a year's time. We also hear that the interior of the five-story brownstone had suffered a great deal of water damage but that many of the woodwork survived. It looks like a beautiful building to us--we hope the new owner can restore it to its former glory. GMAP P*Shark
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Gorgeous big building. I'm guessing between Bedford and Nostrand, or Nostrand and Marcy. There aren't very many 5 story buildings around there, but those 2 blocks have most of them. Looks like new, but cheap vinyl windows - those won't last too long. Even at $899, that's a good deal for a prime Bed Stuy block in an area that should be in an historic district. Even if the owner has to put even $500K into the house, it will be worth it, and there is plenty of room for rental units. I wish the new owner good luck.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at January 27, 2006 11:28 AM
When we were first looking for a house in Brooklyn (uh, nearly 20 years ago), we looked at a house on this block. It's quite possible this was the one. If not, it was at least within 2 doors of this one. That house was the most beautiful we had seen in all of Brooklyn up to that time and . . . to date! Incredible detail! So much so that the engineer who did the inspection simply marveled at the detail and estimated (back in '88) that the detail alone was worth at least $1M then. (Not just fantastic woodwork, but stunning marble, stained glass, leaded glass bookshelves, lion's head pier mirrors and mantels, and on and on for 5 whole storeys.) But, unfortunately, the house needed a huge amount of work. The engineer estimated it would take at least $250-300k just to rescue the basic infrastructre. In light of that, and because we got into a bidding war with another couple, we were forced to max out our offer at $250k and lost out. I have never forgotten that house in all these years. And, although we ended up in a gorgeous home in PLG, I must say, the houses of Hancock Street and the surrounding blocks in Bed Stuy have got to be among the most handsome brownstone stock in the entire city today! Whether or not it's the same one we saw in '88, I believe that whoever just purchased this house, on this block, for only $899k, two decades later, got a really great deal.
Posted by: GardensGal at January 27, 2006 12:08 PM
Folks hold the presses!! 215 Hancock. I know this house all too well! You don't know beauty until you see this home. It has huge potential. The inside was utterly incredible!! Very high ceilings. Triple parlor. Nine fireplaces (floor to ceiling and the widest I've seen). Wainscoting. Pocket doors everywhere. You name it. The woodwork was extraordinary! Plus the former owner was an antique dealer so the place was stacked with numerous fireplaces, pier mirrors and doors in the basement. The extras alone were worth a fortune. However, the house needed a lot of repair, e.g., no kitchen and all baths had to be gutted (not to mention the missing front doors - stolen by poachers). With $300-400k of work, one could've done an incredible restoration job. Once finished you'd have a beautiful mansion (over 5,000 sq. ft. w/ two story extension). I wanted to keep it as a grand single family: would've been a shame to cut it up.
The potential and challenge was simply too good to past up, despite the price, worked needed to restore and the Bed-Stuy location. My reasoning? What the heck, folks are paying $1.4m for tiny two bedroom condos in Manhattan with absolutely no character or charm - Why Not!! :-)
I know the house because I was in a bidding war....arrgghhhh...."against myself"....for the property. LOl! The Seller, an investor/flipper who bought the property at auction 5/04 for $525k, was extremely shady and ultimately went with another buyer who never had the cash to begin with! The seller was in contract with the eventual buyer at $899,000 for over 5 months (3/05-8/05). Buyer couldn't get financing, seller refused to return deposit and the deal was eventually done with seller giving back paper (at god knows what terms!). I made an offer of $925,000 a few days after offer acceptance and contract delivery but was too late to break up the pending deal back in late 3/05. However, the seller made my offer the back up offer which I was very happy about and I held out hope.
When the seller found out that the buyer was unable to obtain financing, the seller said he would accept my higher offer. However, he stated that he couldn't sign the contract because he had to wait for the contract period to expire (recall he was very determined to keep the poor guy's deposit). When the contract expired, he accepted my offer of $925,00 and we signed a letter of intent, with no finance contingency. To my chagrin, he stalled repeatedly on delivering the contract to my attorney. He kept me in limbo for another two months as the original buyer was threatening suit for the return of his deposit. Seller eventually inked a sweetheart deal with the buyer in 6/05 and closed in 8/05.
It was one of those classic New York real estate situations that stretched for months and months, constantly giving you hope at one moment and then ripping out your heart the next! Man, I wanted that house! Would've paid a $1 million for it. Yes, in Bed-Stuy- it was that incredible! I ended up paying close to that amount months later for a single family limestone in Stuy Heights on a landmark block (over 4,000 sq. ft) that needed very little work. I still have my eyes set on this property and if it ever came back on the market, I wouldn't blink an eye......
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 27, 2006 5:53 PM
Man, I'm drooling just thinking about it. Does anyone have pictures of the inside?
Posted by: anon at January 27, 2006 6:04 PM
I have about 50 pics of the interior at home!! Where do I send? I still want the damn place!! Offered more money, offered to close in two weeks with no finance contingency but no deal! I was heart broken. The place I eventually bought is awesome too but this house was truly special; one of a kind. It was fit for a King!!! I asked my fiancee back then to pinch me - "where we on the Upper East Side, Brooklyn Heights or was this truly Bed-Stuy?" And I agree with the previous post, that part of Bed-Stuy should be landmarked. Some of the best housing stock in all of NYC and it's contiguous for about 5 square blocks! Call it "Bedford Heights" or whatever but it's a shame that this brownstone section of BS gets lumped in with the other 15% of crap in that neighborhood. The area needs to be protected and preserved. Long beautiful, tree lined blocks with incredible homes. I seriously hope the present owner does the property justice. Every now and then I drive by the building just to see what's happening with it. Owner, if you're out there and you want to sell, please email me. I'm very much interested.
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 27, 2006 6:15 PM
I hear you, Brown Bomber! Like I said, I've been thinking about that house for two decades since I first saw it (and I've seen loads of "fantastic" brownstones over that same time period). BTW, when I was contemplating the buy, the original front doors were still there. What a house!
Posted by: GardensGal at January 27, 2006 6:27 PM
Brownbomber,
Email us the 5 or 6 juiciest photos and we'll run 'em next week. Not full size please! 360 pixels wide ideally...
Posted by: Brownstoner at January 27, 2006 7:15 PM
That is a hilarious and not atypical New York real estate story.
Any fantastic brownstone that I am aware of had a story like that.
Too bad it turned out for the worse.
Posted by: Anonymous at January 27, 2006 8:07 PM
This place reminds me of another Bed Stuy property I just saw advertised (tons of details, for $775k)
http://realestate.nytimes.com/+comshare/vulisting.asp?Lid=922-245691
Posted by: carrie at January 28, 2006 1:12 AM
We bid on that house too last year. When we got out of this house I swear I was in tears. I looked at my husband and said "I'll do ANYTHING for that house!" It wasn't enough :-( That house is simply ma-gni-fi-cent. It's a palace. I think I have some pics too on a memory card somewhere. I'll look for them. This house is way beyond even the nicest Fort Greene houses.
Posted by: Julie at January 28, 2006 4:00 AM
The flipper. a Russian in his early forties, was equally shocked when he discovered this jewel. He paid for it "sight unseen" at a public auction". At auction you have to put 10% down in cash "day of" and provide the balance in 30 days. The property was highly sought after b/c of its size, location and listing as a multi-family invesment property. But no one had any idea what was inside. It's simply blind bidding. The flipper thought that he had overpiad for the property at $525k. Equally interesting was the fact that he was under the impression that he was buying a five family that needed some sheet rock, paint job, and a cheap Home Depot renovation for a quick turnaround sale. Well he got the shock of his life! Desipte the water damage and the gross state of disrepair, the woodwork was incredible. Everything appeared to be made of solid, thick, massive red mahogany wood with very fine detail! I quickly wondered who had this house built, who was the architect, and who lived here? The floors were solid (various types of floors throughout) as was the massive and commanding staircaise. Just beautiful. I've gone on many house tours in FG, CH, BS and SH, but this home was like nothing else. Everything was significant, from the base boards, wainscoting, chair rails, crown mouldings to the coffered ceilings. The place was stacked with details. All the doors were thick, heavy and finely carved. Even better - the bonus was the random assortment of extra fireplaces, doors and pier mirrors that was simply laying everywhere! I could've done a complete renovation of another property with the stuff.
Ohhh...I found the old listing. Photos are not great but you can get a sense of things.
http://www.ardorny.com/propertysearch/sales_search_details.asp?id=171200#
I really kick myself in the butt for missing out on this house because my fiancee had sent me the listing two months prior and I totally blew her off because I was intent on "moving on up" from Clinton Hill (not selling just moving) to Carroll Gardens. By the time I finally came to my senses and circled back to the hood, I found this hidden masterpiece but it was already too late. Like the saying goes, "Ya got to feed the ducks while they're quaking!"
For some strange reason, I think that the flipper and his partners sold the house to the buyer in such a way that they still own a percentage of the property and could get it back in the event of loan default. I always thought something strange was happening. If you're in contract and the buyer can't close and you have a higher backup offer from a highly qualified buyer with no finance contingency, then you give back the deposit to the first and move on with the second. But that never happened.
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 28, 2006 7:43 AM
And the building is really 22x75 on the first two floors (garden and parlor) as the property has a two story extension. The other three floors are 22x45. Brownstoner, I'll try to get the other pics to you this weekend.
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 28, 2006 7:50 AM
Wow, I'm kinda glad I never saw it. I would have chained myself to the door. I lived a block away for years and never knew. Damn!
Posted by: C at January 28, 2006 9:47 AM
Wow, even the crappy pictures are fantastic. What a house. Forget what I said earlier about rental apartments. I would keep it a single family too. I'm in love. What I wouldn't give for a gem like that, restoring that would be a lifetime's labor of love. I would want it exactly in the condition it's in.
You will note on the listing, they said the house was in Crown Heights! WHA???? Talk about moveable bounderies. Don't these guys look at a map?
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at January 28, 2006 11:57 AM
There should be a new historic district in Bed Stuy. Bedford Heights was a name that was suggested in conversations regarding this move. The bounderies should be somewhere between Marcy, Bedford, Gates and Throop. Some of the finest housing in New York City, bar none, is in this area. Also beautiful and historic churches, schools, and even an armory. Jefferson, between Nostrand and Marcy was once the home to THE Woolworth. You also have the Kelley home, pictured here once, on Hancock between Marcy and Thompson. This is also one of the most beautiful blocks in the area, as are Jefferson between Marcy/Thompson, the block this Hancock house is on,between Nostrand/Marcy, as well as McDonough between Thompkins and Throop, and Macon between Nostrand/Marcy. Thompkins Ave is becoming home furnishings Ave, between Jefferson and Hancock, with antique shops and the most excellent shop Ibo Landing. Housing stock in the area is mostly brownstones, but there are also free standing mansions,great looking apartment buildings, and the fabulous Boy's High School, which is not housing, but a joy to look at.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at January 28, 2006 12:15 PM
I hate to be a snob but this section of Bedford-Stuyvesant definitely needs to be designated a historic district. Bed-Stuy is too large of a community (the largest neighborhood in New York City). It deserves to be broken up for various socio-economic-political reasons. Stuyvesant Heights is a beautiful community but it gets dragged down by the 15% of the Stuy that's essentially nothing but projects and crap. Having the historic designation of Stuyvesant Heights next to the proposed "Bedford Heights" creates a formidable base that can really catapult the community and serve as a catalyst for future growth and development. It's in everyone's interest to get the historic designation completed, including Clinton Hill since its South Eastern border is adjacent to the proposed "Bedford Heights". There are already a handful of ad hoc organizations working on this initiative but they need all of Brooklyn's support. The A/C train line (10-15 mins from Manhattan) connects Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, "Bedford Heights" and Stuyvesant Heights. These communities are indelibly tied to one another for better or worse and they will be as strong as its weakest link. Fulton Street is the last frontier and under NO CIRCUMSTANCE can the battle for Fulton Street be lost. If we lose Fulton, forget about everything east of Flatbush Avenue.
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 28, 2006 5:19 PM
While I essentially agree with you, Bomber, I hope plans for these areas include programs for the "15% of crap and projects". To further ghettoize these areas by surrounding them by pockets of affluence is both morally reprehensible and socially dangerous. The irony of being too poor to live in Bed Stuy may be upon us soon enough, but creating more pockets of desperate people with no options,is not the way I'd like to go about doing it. I would love to have many more landmarked areas, which would also prevent some of the godawful buildings going up, as discussed in other threads, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the greater good.
Posted by: CrownHeightsProud at January 28, 2006 5:59 PM
I am an agent at Ardor NY. For the record the "Crown Heights" designation was just added. Our system just got updated with BK neighborhoods. They are assigned via zip code to old listings so they are not exact. Going forward the area will be assigned by the agent, which will be slightly more acurate, but will probably never please everybody! This is a drool worthy house though. Truly spectacular, on an amazing block!
Posted by: Bobby at January 29, 2006 12:11 AM
CHP, I totally agree with you. The socio-economic problems that plague the community must be addressed in a real and credible way. No question about it.
Posted by: BrownBomber at January 29, 2006 8:06 AM
more importantly, more pictures please!
Posted by: Anonymous at January 29, 2006 10:51 PM
As someone who lives in the 'other 15% of crap' that falls outside of your designated 'Bedford Heights' area can I please ask you to show some respect for the families and people who make up the larger part of Bed Stuy. Brownbomber for someone who purports to live in the Stuy you seem to be quite dismissive of the rest of us. We may not all live in mansions but that doesn't mean we live in pits either.
Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2006 2:21 PM
the house was sold to three jazz musicians, very nice guys, who paid cash. they were in contract for about a month. i do remember that roman mentioned he had offers for $925,000 and a million, but he took their deal because it was all cash and there are, as you know, issues with the c of o. the new owners are doing a minimal renovation. nothing is being taken out, but there will be no full restoration.
the antique dealer who sold to roman took all of his stuff out-- plus some -- including the built-in library. he had three huge moving trucks parked on the block for three days.
though there are not that many five story houses, there are at least two dozen houses between bedford and tompkins on hancock that are breathtaking in their detail.
Posted by: anon at February 3, 2006 11:58 AM

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