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March 15, 2007

Condo of the Day: 10 Percent Off at One Hanson

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onehansonint.jpgWe've been a big believer in One Hanson since the beginning, so we're a little surprised that they're having to do 10 percent price cuts, but perhaps it's a sign of the increasing pipeline of condos that will be hitting the market over the next 12 to 18 months. After seven months, Apartment 12D, for example, has just beenreduced from $708,692 to $628,456. Given the ceiling height, high floor and size (934 square feet), we'll be very surprised if it doesn't move at this price. Does anyone know how many units in the building have sold up to now? The One Hanson website shows that there are 14 units available between the 9th and 16th floors. Have the rest sold? When are lower floors going to be released?
One Hanson, Apartment 12 D [Corcoran] GMAP
One Hanson, 12D Reduced [Natefind]
Apartment Availability [One Hanson]
Building photo by Frank Lynch




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ATLANTIC

YARDS

EFFECT

Get used to it.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 10:45 AM

I forgot to send my brother a birthday card, and I AM BLAMING IT ON BRUCE RATNER AND ATLANTIC YARDS! Endless whining; get used to it.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 10:48 AM

And you'll probably blame your brother for your plummeting property values.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 10:50 AM

How can you blame AY when Boerum Heights, the development across the road is sold out (they only have 2 apartments left that just came out of contract when the buyer failed to close)? I don't understand how BH can be sold out if AY is truly such a negative factor.

My view is that OHP just had inflated prices, which is why it didn't sell. But that's just me :)

Posted by: Anonymous. at March 15, 2007 11:02 AM

Yeah, and it'd be interesting to know why that buyer failed to close, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:04 AM

Anon at 11:04 -- do you really think a buyer who has put 10% down would give up that 10% because he or she truly feels AY is *such* a negative impact? And what about the other 70 units? Or do those not count?

Can we stop with the "Blame AY" in every thread, and actually have an intelligent conversation, or will every conversation about Fort Greene/Prospect Heights/Boerum Hill/North Slope now always go the same direction? It's getting kinda boring...

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:09 AM

That area is justnow a nice place to live, who wants to live by a train station - it doesn't attract the best crowd of people.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:09 AM

That area is justnow a nice place to live, who wants to live by a train station - it doesn't attract the best crowd of people.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:10 AM

Seeing a similar pricing adjustment in Williamsburg condos.....just too much supply.....condos suck.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:10 AM

Unfortunately I suspect AY does have something to do with it. It may not be the only factor, but it's probably a factor. And my guess is we're only now beginning to see the AY effect (AYE?). My hope is that it will be minimal.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:11 AM

the ay trolls are starting to be more annoying that the plg one. at least there is SOME truth to what the plg one says.

the people who think that ay has much of an effect on this, they are sadly mistaken. i know 2 people who bought condos in the building (both from manhattan) and they didn't even know what ay was...till i told them.

they were overpriced. i'm sure they will get some action at this prices.

to say that property values are depreciating before anything has even happened with ay is just plain stupid, in my opinion.


Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:15 AM

No units are 'sold'. May have contracts but building is hardly ready to close on any.
When it all is finished you can judge.
Amazing that people will even sign contracts at this state of construction at all.
Who has the patience for all the unknown delays?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:18 AM

I went to see One Hanson last weekend and LOVED them. I'm not in the market to buy (own a house in FG), but went along with my sister who is considering buying. The model unit is gorgeous, great layout, lots of sunlight (although in some of the units the 2nd bedroom is a touch small). Anyway, they are only releasing units 9-16 now. The others may be available but are not actively marketed on the website. The 2 penthouses arent on the market yet either. I think the building is about 25% sold out, but it sort of makes sense considering floors 9-16 or so wont be completed for move in until at least September, and the higher floors wont be done until next spring. I do think some people are worried about AY blocking their views and sunlight, although the biggest potential "blocker" will be the air rights Ratner bought above PC Richards. The rest of AY is a bit to the left of the building. Anyway, the model unit was $840 per square foot, which for the location in Fort Greene, and the elegant construction, I didn't think was a stretch. Also Borders in the Lobby. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: MJ at March 15, 2007 11:19 AM

AY has only affected the stupid people who let if affect them. One Hanson is in a not so great area to begin with. The units must have great views but there is little consistency to the hood. in my opinion AY can only make it a better area.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:26 AM

There are no floors below 9. They renumbered them so that the old fifth floor (1-4 is bank/office) became the ninth floor

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:36 AM

MJ, if you're the same who posts on Curbed, thought you had a place in the Village. Good to be you, GV and FG?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:49 AM

I went to see one of these units and absolutely fell in love with it. I was all set to make an offer, but then I thought, "Wait a minute, this will put me fairly close to Atlantic Yards. Holy shit! There's no way in hell I'm doing this."

And that was that.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:53 AM

I agree it's not AY (though I'm not a fan of aspects of AY). It's the Atlantic Center. The armpit of Brooklyn. That place is just plain gross. It's a hideous building and does not attract the best crowds, it's true. But this unit should sell. Look at that closet space - that's more like it! Developers should totally be putting in a nice amount of closet space like that, in all the new condo buildings. There's a coat closet near the front door, which is a necessity in my view in a cold-weather climate. And two big closets in the bedroom. Nice.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 11:57 AM

Uh, anon 11:49, nope not the same poster from Curbed, no idea what post you are even referring to and dont read Curbed, but nice to see you keep track of all the MJ's in New York. Some loser has a ton of time on their hands. Woah.

Posted by: MJ at March 15, 2007 11:59 AM


last week, broker said about 40% sold.

seems to be moving slowly...

9th floor is the lowest residential floor.

when i was in the sales office, i heard a conference call about dropping the prices on one unit in each of the lines they were having trouble selling.... and seeing the outcome before they readjust prices the other ones in the line.

Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:06 PM

That corner of Atlantic & Flatbush, while already horrible now, is going to be the nightmare of all nightmares. They should do what they have in Paris and put pedestrian tunnels underneath. I'm just guessing that DOT has no plan at all for increased traffic flow there--Can't just make it go one way like 6th & 7th Aves!

Posted by: west at March 15, 2007 12:09 PM

There are pedestrian tunnels underneath west at 12:09. they are just for pedestrians walking to the subway.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:18 PM

All you anti-AY flamers, please take your stupid cause to www.atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com and jerk each other off all you want there. I'm so sick and tired of having every decent thread on this site destroyed by your nonsensical arguments! Give it a break already - no one cares!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:18 PM

OMG, you anti-develpment people are really sick in the head! This is NYC and hipster/radicals/NIMBY snobs are not going to stifle the growth and development of NYC. No borough in the city is immune. In fifty years, both Brooklyn and Queens (and to a lesser extent the Bronx) will look very much like Manhattan. And guess what? Bitching and moaning about NYC development on a small time local blogsite is not going to get you any where either. Brooklyn has a fuck'n population of 2.5 million but for some insane reason you lunatics think that pontificating about your position on AY really matters to the vast majority of Brooklynites from Bensonhurst, Coney Island, East New York, Brownsville, Flatbush, Canarsie, Sheepshead Bay, etc.

Get a grip! Brownstoner's daily readership is lucky enough to be in the one hundreds but you dopes think that posting for days and days about AY really matters to the rank and file. WTF? Find better use of your time!

DDDB is broke and general community apathy towards AY exist for an eff'n good reason; no matter the drawbacks, Brooklyn wants a professional basketball team (hockey too) and massive commercial and luxury housing development downtown. Yes, we have an inferiority complex and massive ego to match!

There you have it. Now give it up!!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:33 PM

Anyone know when the Hejab is coming off?

Posted by: jtg at March 15, 2007 12:33 PM

A - Y - E

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:37 PM

If a 10% price drop is in fact due to the AY proposal then doesnt that refute opponents claim that AY will lead to hyper-gentrification and even more unaffordable housing?

Posted by: David at March 15, 2007 12:48 PM

A Y E

Call your brokers...quick

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 12:53 PM

I have spent tens, perhaps hundreds, of hours fighting and otherwise responding to what I consider the ill-concieved Atlantic Yards project. But nothing fuels my ambivalence and complacency more than the project opponents.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 1:08 PM

Dude, in what sense is Atlantic Center "a bad crowd" aside from the fact that there's black people there? (In BROOKLYN? Gasp.) It's just a mall.

"Ugliest building on earth", on the other hand, is pretty fair. But it's hardly the Port Authority. It's a damn mall.

Posted by: Q.R. at March 15, 2007 1:13 PM

it also happens to bring much needed money to the borough and especially that area which is a billion times better than it was pre atlantic terminal.

the ay opponents would rather put up a couple hundred more brownstones instead of ay and make sure to further insulate themselves from the "bad crowd"

so so pathetic. why people like that even live in brooklyn in the first place is what boggles my mind even more.

Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 1:28 PM

the anti-ay crowd are way scarier than the crowd at atlantic terminal mall if you ask me.

it is also true that saying that prices will drop goes against everything the ACTUAL AY opponents are making. thanks for noting that, whoever it was.

if you had gone to a single meeting, their whole issue is that it's going to cause over gentrification with not enough affordable housing.

now you all are saying the exact opposite????

interesting....

Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 1:33 PM

"It's the Atlantic Center. The armpit of Brooklyn. That place is just plain gross. It's a hideous building and does not attract the best crowds, it's true."

This above post essentially sums up the opposition in a nutshell. AY is hated not for the throngs of luxury housing and amenities that it will bring into the surrounding area but for that fact that on game night it will "not attract the best crowds”, e.g., "black people."

Although I'm against the project because of the use of ED, I’m sitting on the sidelines and letting things simply unfold as I find most of the anti-AY rambling laced with racist undertones. In the end, all of the baseless fear mongering and scare tactics will do nothing to stop the project but will instead cause serious damage to race relations in the area. FYI, I’m a white homeowner in Fort Greene.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 2:08 PM

AY is hated because of the traffic.

People of every race and income level breath the same air, and thanks to Ratner, it will soon have a lot more carbon dioxide.

Also, white homeowner in Fort Greene: better switch your garden to shade tolerant plants.

Posted by: chuck at March 15, 2007 2:20 PM

chuck...your comments are assinine. plain and simple. this is new york city. if you don't like traffic, please leave.

you make it sound as if these building are going to be as tall as the freaking empire state building. they are not so stop exaggerating.

you sound like a total fool.

BEWARE OF THE SHADOWS!!!!!

Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 2:24 PM

Like stock prices, real estate prices sometimes feel the impact of a story.

I can assure you that any buyer who snags a place at OHP at a price that dropped due to this negative publicity will thank the naysayers in a few years.

There's nothing like getting the goods cheap because an unexpected sale occurred.

Posted by: stockholder_revolt at March 15, 2007 2:27 PM

Have the homeless that were camping out in front of the building and in the subway entrance been moved else where, or do you still have to beat them with you overpirced designer bag as you make you way into your overpriced space?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 2:31 PM


Two comments appeared in previous posts:

First:

"It's the Atlantic Center. The armpit of Brooklyn. That place is just plain gross. It's a hideous building and does not attract the best crowds, it's true."

The people you're referring to did not drive miles across Brooklyn to enjoy the shopping experience to be had at the Atlantic Center Mall. They live in the general area. The building is ugly. We can agree on that. But the people are the people and that's that.

Second:

"This above post essentially sums up the opposition in a nutshell. AY is hated not for the throngs of luxury housing and amenities that it will bring into the surrounding area but for that fact that on game night it will "not attract the best crowds”, e.g., "black people.""

I doubt it. The crowds at the Continental Arena in NJ and the crowds at the Garden are not "black" on game nights. They are mixed. Meanwhile, I can't recall more than a couple of unpleasant encounters INSIDE or outside any stadium or arena.

Maybe some people should avoid rap concerts. But that's about it.

Posted by: stockholder_revolt at March 15, 2007 2:37 PM

I think 2:08 is right. Take me for example, fear of the AYE has prompted me to sell my coop in Clinton Hill and move my lilly white butt ... all the way into to Bed-Stuy.

Point of information: Not everyone who is concerned about the impact that AYP will have on quality of life in Downtown Brooklyn is racist. Some of us just enjoy being able to leave Manhattan and come home.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 2:40 PM

The unruly people at AC are those who have just spent 10 hours trying to renew their license at DMV.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 2:55 PM

If I were buying an expessive coop I would not chose a high traffic, busy area with something like Atlantic Yards being built across the street. Go look at Madison Square Garden on a game night. There is nothing wrong with those people, but it doesn't go with luxury housing or a luxury lifestyle. Look where expensive housing is in Manhattan. Does anyone brag they live across from MSG. In fact that hotel across the street has always been kind of seedy. The rules aren't different for Brooklyn. People spending a lot of money want a specific product and environment. Neither AY or the current Flatbush and Atlantic Avenue is it.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 3:47 PM

A friend just looked at OHP... the main turn-off was in fact the location. The "bad crowd" is basically the homeless people camping out at the entrance to the subway. There are plenty of homeless around, and I think it's good to help them out; but if someone's going to spend seven figures on a home, do you want to walk out into a bunch of homeless, along with tons of commuters, hormone-charged teenagers, construction workers, and traffic noise on Flatbush? (And, soon, sports fans?) Or would you rather walk out on a quiet, leafy residential street?

OHP is only about 3 blocks from Fort Greene Park, right near great restaurants and shopping etc; but I think it's just a bad proposition when every time you leave your home you're confronted with the sounds, smells, and crowds of that corner.

Just the 2 cents of one potential buyer.

Posted by: looker at March 15, 2007 4:00 PM

3:47, OHP is closer to the "BAM Cultural District" than it is to Atlantic Yards. Yeah, the streets are busy but that is apparently not a deal-buster for any number of Manhattan residents.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:00 PM

"but if someone's going to spend seven figures on a home, do you want to walk out into a bunch of homeless, along with tons of commuters, hormone-charged teenagers, construction workers, and traffic noise on Flatbush? (And, soon, sports fans?) Or would you rather walk out on a quiet, leafy residential street?"

i don't know. people seem to want to live in the east and west villages as well as lower east side, so what do you think....????

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:20 PM

my friend lives right on 34th and 8th in a highrise luxury building.

i don't know who said that there is no such thing near msg, but they are wrong. and they are tearing down that seedy hotel and putting up high rent office towers. the area around msg is just one of the last parts of manhattan to be totally turned over to luxury. it is currently happening although, just like what will happen and what is happening in downtown brooklyn.

Posted by: anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:25 PM

AYE = Rising housing prices = Happiness for me

Posted by: CashMoney at March 15, 2007 4:29 PM

I don't think you can compare Hanson Place with the East or West village. People who live in the East/West village want a certain type of lifestyle, don't mind busy streets -- in fact find it stimulating -- and may not be interested in brownstone, leafy living. Even if they were, for most, brownstone living in Manhattan is out of the question. But it's not out of reach in Brooklyn -- yet.

I moved to the Fort Greene-area from the West Village in 2001 b/c I couldn't afford to live their anymore. I found Fort Greene a nice trade off b/c while I didn't have a lot of the same restaruants and stores (then), I loved the vibe. But even that energy has changed significantly over the past 5+ years, and I am concerned that it will become more busy, less neighborhoody, and less desirable to those who want a breath of fresh air after working all day.

The only reason I would be in favor of AY's is if I planned on moving further out into Brooklyn and anticipated that the peace and quiet of some of those neighborhoods would become an attractive alternative to the hustle and bustle of the AY-area, and that as a result, I might be able to get better paying tennants along with quickly increasing property values.

Brownstones around AY will be just fine, but I'm not crazy about the idea of saying excuse me, pardon me, oh sorry about that, everytime I go out at 7AM/PM to walk my dog.

Personal choice.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:34 PM

I am a salesperson in Brooklyn. I have definitely heard from a lot of buyers that they have no interest in this building because of all the construction and chaos and increased noise during construction and then forever more from traffic because of Atlantic Yards. And of course those with views facing south don't want to see it all being built and wait and wonder how ruined their views will be either. Plus now there has been a lot written about the neon monstrosity that Ratner has planned for this area in terms of signage and that is of concern to the buyers I am working with. So it's not as simple as people saying yes or no to the Atlantic Yards on this site all the time. This is about people making real life decisions about 1 Hanson Place now because of Ratner's plans for the area. Not just idle chatter

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:40 PM

Hi Brownstoner-

I'd like to suggest that we create a seperate area on this site to discuss ongoing AY issues (like the tab you have on the top for the broken angel reno, etc.). Every time something comes up that hints of the AY project, there is a surge of almost overwhelming discussion/reaction. It would be nice if it had its own place on this site so that that people didn't always rehash the same arguments. Thank you for your consideration. BTW - I very much enjoy your site and it has contributed greatly to my appreciation of Brownstone Brooklyn.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:44 PM

4:40 is right, the planned neon signage on AY is the worst. So cheesy. Frank Gehry needs his architecture license revoked for that aspect of the design. It's just plain silly.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 4:52 PM

To all you anti-AY flamers, please take your stupid/baseless assertions to www.atlanticyardsreport.blogspot.com and jerk each other off all you want there. I'm so sick and tired of having every decent thread on this site destroyed by your nonsensical arguments! Give it a break already - no one cares!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 5:01 PM

Don't like traffic or tall buildings? Move to Kansas!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 5:07 PM

I don't agree, this is for many of us the most important thing that will happen in our neighborhoods in the time we will live in them. - I understand for those of you living in PLG or BedStuy it may not be as pressing, but for those of us whose lives will be impacted this is one of the most important forums we have to discuss it. This is something we really care about.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 5:14 PM

It is interesting to note that the pro AY posters have to resort to agressive threats (similar tactics to those used by Ratner to create this deal)

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 5:16 PM

Forget about AY, that area is a nightmare pre-AY. I am supposed to be an intreped New Yorker but Atlantic and Flatbush puts the fear of God in me - just crossing the street, never mind the existing construction. There is scaffolding and constructions all over that area. Crossing the street is nightmarish.

Posted by: anon Fort Greener at March 15, 2007 5:23 PM

but 5:14, you're not discussing it. all you (and others) are saying is, 'this is my position and this is why and this is why my position isn't going to change.' the thread is about OHP. it's been established that there are different opinions, some more well founded than others, about the impact of atlantic yards on the project that is THE ACTUAL TOPIC. i doubt seriously that anyone's opinion is going to change because of more rhetoric (although I do foresee opinions changing in both directions as the atlantic yards is built/occupied.) this is not the place. as 1:08 points out, you may actually be doing yourselves a disservice.

oh, and 4:52, architects don't get their licenses based on style.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 6:40 PM

"i don't know. people seem to want to live in the east and west villages as well as lower east side, so what do you think....????"


DWL...nice one :)

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 9:43 PM

Well, I think this discussion started out about OHP and the price reduction. People opined it was due to AY nearby. The discussion proceeded from there, with different people discussing pro and con. I think it was logical.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 15, 2007 9:53 PM

You anti-AY people are too stupid to appreciate elementary logic. So here, let me spell it out for you:

1. People will spent lots of money to live in Manhattan.

2. Manhattan is noisy, has lots of traffic and homeless people.

3. Therefore, people will pay lots of money to live in any location that has homeless people, lots of noise and lots of traffic.

I don't know how I can make it any simpler for your lame brain critics of AY.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:04 AM

ROFLMFAO!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:06 AM

all i can say is that I looked at one hanson (2 br 2 ba for 1.2m) and just couldn't justify the price. The fact that there will be a commercial unit, etc. complicates the condo documents, and there is worrying risks of airborne mercury from the dentist offices.

Oh yeah, and rumors of structural problems freaked us out too. Remember that a few years back St. Felix St simply caved in from the subway construction.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:14 AM

7:04, that's the most cogent argument I've heard yet from any of Ratner's minions. It's obviously FLAWED, but it is at least transparent enough that it's defects are OBVIOUS.

Well, obvious to everyone with a brain, anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:23 AM

Oh man, this is so sweet!!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:46 AM

You're right, 7:04, even when I let my imagination run wild, I can't imagine a place that has lots of homeless people, noise and traffic that I wouldn't spend lots of money to live in. You sure got us there! :=)

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 7:48 AM

Looked very seriously at buying a corner unit in Jan. but there were a lot of risks - foremost was that they had only sold 27 percent at that time. Sponsor can rent out what he doesn't sell and that neg. impacts the value. The maintenance and monthly taxes (J-51) were tolerable but also very high compared to other condo dev. I heard about structural issues too which would only make maintenance higher. Finally AY and other projects (i.e. library in front) will take a while to finish - won't be easy to sell if the whole place is a construction zone. Given these risks-they still showed no flexibility on the price so I bailed.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 16, 2007 8:19 AM

haha. i love this.

i've been casually looking at a few unit floorplans in one hanson and called this morning about a listing and the woman said that because of yesterday's post on brownstoner, she's had over 25 calls...

love it. this site is really doing wonders for the brooklyn condo market.

Posted by: anonymous at March 16, 2007 10:09 AM

That's funny indeed because I spoke with an agent there this morning who told me that two prospective buyers had backed out because of yesterday's brownstoner posts. So, either you're lying or their office is damned confused.

Posted by: Brian at March 16, 2007 10:33 AM

i think the problem here is you are lying. i don't know ANY real estate agent who would tell prospective buyers that others have backed out.

if they do, they should be let go.

next time you want to make shit up, you might want to run it by someone first to see if it makes sense.

Posted by: anonymous at March 16, 2007 11:28 AM

"You'll be reciting this mantra until you show up for bankruptcy court."

You're a HATER!

Posted by: CashMoney at March 16, 2007 3:36 PM

AY might turn out to be a lovely example of urban renewal but has anyone considered the impact on the trains, specifically the Atlantic Ave station? Ever tried to get a train between 8 and 10 on a weekday morning? Good luck after AY is completed. Gloat all you want about increased property values. The area is GHETTO and will always be unless you have some briliant plan to relocate the current population (and carry the local Pathmark and Target along with them).
Can't wait to sit back and watch this fiasco play out and watch the darlings piss and moan about quality of life issues AFTER they buy into the nonsense. NYers are famous for selling out then bitching about the after effects of their greed and short-sightedness. Shit, where will I park, send my spawn to school, and dang, those cashiers in Atlantic Center have such attitiude!

Posted by: Si at March 17, 2007 8:18 AM

true, it took me ten minutes to exit that station last night because of closed exits, re-routing and throngs of commuters. bullshit

Posted by: Kelli at March 17, 2007 8:22 AM

"AY might turn out to be a lovely example of urban renewal..."

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of your ass.

When Ratner has a past history of building shitheaps, and the bigwig architect he hires claims in an interview that his job is simply to "sign off on the final design", it's hard to be optimistic.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 17, 2007 10:01 AM

Optimistic?

Posted by: Si at March 18, 2007 2:41 AM

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