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March 28, 2007

Wassup At 2nd Street and 7th Avenue?

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Finally! That's the reaction of one Park Slope resident who shot us this photo of the long-neglected 501 2nd Street getting a scaffolding in anticipation, one can only assume, of a much-needed rehab. It's quite a lovely building, so we hope that's the case. So far, no details on the DOB website. According to Property Shark, there's been no recent change of ownership either. Anyone got the skinny on what's going on? GMAP P*Shark DOB




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I read somewhere that an elderly lady ownes and resides at that location, years of taxes are due, yet the city is letting her reside there.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 10:01 AM

i have lived in park slope over 10 years. once in those ten years i saw the ground floor open and a young girl (really seemed about 18) said that her dad owned the building. all the ground floor storefronts are antique shops and seems to be so because they only open once in a lifetime and when they do the stuff inside are instantly antiques. i have often been curious about this girl, this shop, this corner and have wondered why they haven't sold or developed by now. Would be a prime location.

Posted by: parkslopian at March 28, 2007 10:09 AM

My hairdresser, who grew up in the slope, says that the woman who owns the building puts up scaffolding every so often and then does nothing. says she thinks that the owner does that so people leave her alone about selling the building.

Posted by: Wendy at March 28, 2007 10:18 AM

Why doesn't the city have the right to seize properties like these? (Or do they?) They are a blight on the neighborhood and in some cases are a real danger to neighbors and passersby. (I'm also thinking of the abandoned shell of a brownstone on 3rd Street near the corner of 7th Avenue. That place is COLLAPSING and has been for years. Its deterioration has got to be causing major headaches for the owners of the neighboring brownstones, whose structures are surely compromised--or soon to be.)

I say kick out the old bat and restore the place to its original beauty!

Posted by: AJ at March 28, 2007 10:23 AM

My guess is that due to numrous complaints about unsafe conditions including window glass falling out and brownstone spalling onto the sidewalk they are being required by their insurance company or the DoB to make repairs. No one lives in the building. The young girl has not been seen for years. I beleive the owner lives in Cobble Hill. The pub that occupies the ground floor was a hoot to visit. The owner would invite struggling musicians to play and the audience would "heckle" them by playing along with various childrens musical toys. Everyone would also get to wear a funny hat that was given to you from the vast collection around the bar. We used to get totally ripped and then stumble home, our sides split open from laughing so hard. The place was wreck 12 years ago. How stupid to not keep your liquer licence. ThAT ALONE WAS PRICELESS.

Posted by: the good old daze at March 28, 2007 10:24 AM

I knew the owner, a woman. She inherited the building, along with several others in the neighborhood. She has two daughters and intended never to sell the buildings, I never found out why. She does owe a lot of taxes from what I have heard, but that was not the reason. The bottom floor used to be a club open on the weekends, and then the daughters turned it into a gallery/antique store.

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 10:33 AM

That young girl is the owner's daughter. I don't remember her name but she used to run two vintage clothing shops from the side of the building.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 10:36 AM

This building was discussed on brownstoner (or maybe the Brooklyn Record) a few months back. It's owned by a woman who has lived in the slope forever; she lives in a red house (usually with stuff outside) in the middle of 2nd Street between 6th and 7th. She's very very sweet, but not all there. The family (her and two daughters) have money and rent some of their other properties. This building used to have a bar in the 80s and the early 90s, but for some reason she never wanted to turn on the heat, so it was only open when the weather was okay.

Posted by: sloper at March 28, 2007 10:50 AM

Someone (here?) recently posted a link to a Bklyn blog or board with a fascinating discussion about the Big Edie/Little Edie behind this building. "Little Edie" (alas, can't recall her name)is a fashion-designer wanna-be with her own rather pathetic website of amateurish rocker-chick duds (I checked it) and a handful of press clippings to show for her life; her sister is apparently a lawyer who represents her; and "Big Edie" is still hunkered down someplace in Brooklyn, "refusing to sell" the 7th Ave. bldg, apparently because she's crazier than a bedbug. Many commenters recalled the "club" back in the day as an amusing freak show that sold warm beer, and it was rumored that "Big Edie" likes to dangle the possibility of selling, then back out. The whole thing would make a hell of an indie flick screenplay,or maybe the next John Waters opus.

Posted by: Brenda from Flatbush at March 28, 2007 10:51 AM

the building is not for sale the sign says for commercial lease or rent. I'm guessing it finally is going to be available for just that purpose.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:17 AM

owner is Dorothy Nash. also owns 472 2nd street.
Lawyer daughter is Rachel Nash.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:18 AM

how could it be for commercial lease when the entire building above it is falling apart? i can't imagine who'd rent that space without someone making significant improvements to the building above.

is there anything we can do to really find out what's going on? or what we might be able to do to move this into the hands of someone who would not leave it as an eyesore and potential hazard?

calling all investors out there...

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 11:25 AM

That lease sign has been in the window for years...If I remember correctly that daughter was a hottie...easy on the eyes.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:34 AM

Oh shut up, you real estate whores. I'm sick of all the investors out there, gutting everything and turning it into fugly ass interiors while exploiting an exterior that they have no attachment to except for the fact that "brownstone" sells.

Thank god for the Dorothy Nashes. If you're afraid for your life, cross the street.

I dread the day some jackass moneyhoarder gets a hand on this peice of property and does to it what happened up in Lexington in harlem -- guts it till the whole thing collapses on the construction workers.

The people who own and live there have every right to do whatever they want with it, and I for one am really grateful to them for being attached to their properties, however neglectfully. Their property, their way. I only wish more of the city's eyesores were of this kind, and not the nouveau trash that's been rising everywhere.

Power to ya, Nutty Nash.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:35 AM

does anyone actually live in this building? or is it vacant?

Posted by: parkslopian at March 28, 2007 11:42 AM

I live a few buildings over and have been observing the building over the past few years. From the roof of my building, you can clearly see that the owner is trying to speed up the buildings deterioration by leaving every window ajar on the top two floors. There is a large colony of pigeons living in the building. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ms. Nash took a circular saw to the roof to help her situation. It's is really a shame. On the bright side, the buildings' abandonment creates an abundance of parking on 2nd street that I would hate to give up.

Posted by: 7th Ave neighbor at March 28, 2007 11:42 AM

Yah, I'm with Anon 11:35 - viva derelict heaps that no one lives in (birds aside) and are rotting from the inside out.

We need more of those!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:49 AM

i can't imagine why someone would intentionally try to ruin such a gem of a building. granted, i'm not crazy either.

this could be a truly amazing piece of property with some tlc. and perhaps something really useful to the neighborhood in the ground floor space.

i say someone buy the place, renovate the interiors and try to get a housing works in the bottom floor...

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 11:50 AM

11:35 said, "I dread the day some jackass moneyhoarder gets a hand on this peice of property and does to it what happened up in Lexington in harlem -- guts it till the whole thing collapses on the construction workers."

Has 11:35 ever actually SEEN this place? The windows are all busted out, and the place looks like it's already collapsing. This is hardly some poor person hanging onto their family home in Harlem, keeping it up as best they can. Get a grip, and try doing a little research so you can comment on the FACTS. Not on whatever bitterness about completely unrelated issues are swimming around in your angry brain.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 12:18 PM

Anyone who buys this place with the top-floor duplex apartment being 100% triple net leased to one tenant is a fool. This woman thinks she can ignore the thousands of dollars in fines that she has accumulated over the past 20 or more years by letting the building fall to the ground and collecting the insurance money. Or in the alternate, a rich idiot will restore the place to its glory so Ms. Nash can reclaim her newly restored duplex penthouse.
You all call her crazy but this all seems pretty genius.

Posted by: 7th ave neighbor at March 28, 2007 12:19 PM

This building is proof of the following:

* NYC's DOB does not really exist and does not really do anything.

* NYC's DEP does not really exist and does not really do anything.

* NYC's residents are entirely on their own, in trying to deal with bad neighbors. Imagine how fun life is for the building next door to this one. They get more pigeons, more rats and roaches, and a nice big fire hazard. And the value of their property is depreciated. Nice! And don't even get me started on how NYC does nothing to help those with noisy neighbors or insane neighbors.

* Lastly, this building proves the whole eminent domain claim Ratner and NYC used to take "blighted" properties for AY is a sham. If they could take all those non-blighted properties so easily, they could and should seize this one.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 12:25 PM

Where's the Park Slope association, or block associations, or city councilperson? What are they doing about this building? Or about any of the other several abandoned buildings in Park Slope? There's one on Berkeley Place between 5th and 6th, too. Somebody needs to be making more noise.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 12:31 PM

The place downstairs was called the "Landmark Pub" and served cold yingling until the mid 90's (Last time I recall being there was '94). Lots of kids toys all along the walls, and local musicians playing. It would fit right in Williamsburg 10 years later... it was way ahead of it's time.
The two girls worked there, and the ol' lady ran the place...

Posted by: OE at March 28, 2007 12:33 PM

speaking of abandoned buildings, does anyone know what's happening with the building on 7th between union and berkeley that says it was sold. it's on the east side of the street next to the ace supermarket...

that whole block of 7th between union and berkeley has way too many vacant properties.

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 12:46 PM

I was wrong… the pigeon coop goes to the new landlord while the rest of the building is net leased.
501 2nd street.
$5,750,000
A Triple Net Leased mixed use building is available for sale. This 25' wide building is located in the heart of Park Slope on 7th Avenue. The buyer of this property will have No Landlord Responsibilities as the building is 100% triple net leased to one tenant. The top floor six-room duplex apartment with stunning views is available for personal use or rental by the landlord. Asking Price: $5,750,000
Triple Net Leased Mixed-Use Building For Sale
501 2nd Street
Park Slope, Brooklyn, N.Y.
ASKING PRICE: $5,750,000
Location: Northeast corner of 7th Avenue & 2nd Street
Block: 1076
Lot: 1
Lot/Floor Size: 25' X 97.83'
(2,446 s.f. approx)
Stories: 5
Building Size: 10,400 s.f. (approx.)
Zoning: R6A with a C1-4 Overlay
Assessment: $223,920 Class 2
R.E. Taxes: $27,757 paid by tenant
Year Built: 1920
Building Classification: C7
Air Rights: N/A
RENT:
*Current - Year 5 $240,000
Year 6 - Year 10 $270,000
Year 11 - Year 15 $300,000
Year 16 - Year 20 $330,000
Year 21 - Year 25 $360,000
Year 26 - Year 30 $390,000
Year 31 - Year 35 $420,000
Year 36 - Year 40 $450,000
Year 41 - Year 45 $480,000
Year 46 - Year 48 $510,000
* Not Yet Commenced
EXPENSES: NONE
● Located in the heart of Park Slope on 7th Avenue
● No Landlord Responsibilities – 100% triple net leased to one tenant
● Landlord retains top floor six-room duplex apartment with stunning views for personal use or rental

Posted by: 7th Ave Neighbor at March 28, 2007 12:53 PM

Good, recent recap of the situation from the Brooklyn Paper:

http://tinyurl.com/ytnre6 .

The owners are lucky that no one has been seriously hurt by the debris falling off the building. About six weeks ago myself and my three year old son missed getting hit by a good size sheet of glass by about a minute. It landed directly on the sidewalk corner.

Posted by: 4th St at March 28, 2007 12:56 PM

I was at Landmark Pub too! Back before gentrification! Played a few tunes on the guitar...started talking to one of the daughters (she was darn cute) and she told me she was just about to graduate...I figured college. A few flirtations later found out she was talking about junior high!!!! First time I ever felt old and I was only about 21 at the time...turned a shade of mauve and razzed by my friends the entire rest of the night. What a great place...they used to have all these strange hats they'd encourage everyone to wear when they came in. Only served one type of beer that I swear they'd just run down to the bodega down the street to get when they ran out. Great times...that and Two Boots were the only places around. God Bless Gornby!!!
I say let the old lady be...she's part of the reason Park Slope has all those million dollar homes.

Posted by: DC at March 28, 2007 1:01 PM

Interesting editorial take Brownstoner - you allow all sorts of slander and personal attacks against Ratner and other Landlords; And you write personally write libelelous things against Scarano (I beleive you called him a murderer in one post)- YET you wont allow posts demonstrating what a bunch of nuts these (landlord) Nash's are - even though their neglect and blatant disregard for saftey is obvious to everyone.

Posted by: David at March 28, 2007 1:08 PM

I cannot for the life of me believe that this building is allowed to remain as is, especially with PS 321 across the street! - the daughter attorney must be very adroit at evading some type of action/seizure from the City. I wonder Who will be responsible if someone is killed or injured?

Neighbors might do well to pool resources and:

1. Inform the owner's insurance agency of the situation (if some company out there actually has the stupidity to continue insuring the building)

2. Adjacent neighbors should file a suit against the owner AND the City for damages arising from the suffering of lowered property values due to extreme neligence.

3. Encourage squatters to live in the building; after a period of time, they will have rights and it might force the City to take legal action. It will also create more liability for the owner if people are living in the building.

4. Shame the woman and her daughters publicly.

This is arrogance on steroids, and completely unforgivable in the current RE market.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 1:22 PM

here's my idea...

ps. 321 parents come up with the funds to buy the place as an investment, renovate, sell off the units for a profit and use them to help fund the local middle school/s in the hood. win win for everyone.

seriously though....i agree that it's COMPLETELY unaaceptable for places like this to still exist in this part of park slope.

we, as a neighborhood have a ton of power (as was demonstrated regarding the one way traffic proposals) so i have a hard time believing that with the right efforts, the same couldn't be said for this place.

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 1:30 PM

I love the Nash family!

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 3:01 PM

think about it. most ps families who send their kids to private school probably pay what, like 20K a year. times 3 years for middle and 4 for high school. that's 140K.

take half that and band together and buy this olg bag out.

then you'll have some great schools to send your kids to for free.

and will increase your property values through the roof to boot!

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 3:10 PM

Why is everyone all up thier ass? I'd love to be like them one day without worring about renting or selling. I do feel bad about the poster who almost got hit with falling debris. Public safety is important but this "information age" thing is too much for me some times.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 3:18 PM

you'd love to have an abandoned, open to the elements, pigeon living, eyesore, potential hazard in one of the most beautiful neighborhoods of new york someday?

you, my friend are a sicko.

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 3:27 PM

Wait....so this same woman owns the buildign on the corner, and the neglected brownstone down 2nd Street, that also has not been taken care of in at least 10 years?!

Wow - nice work.

Posted by: EricGewiz at March 28, 2007 3:50 PM

And you'd love to snatch it from her.


you my friend are green with jealousy.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 3:53 PM

nope, i have no intent or desire to snatch property from someone that they own. especially an old lady. but it is still a shame that the building stands in such a poor state.

but for you to say you'd love to be in her same position is absolutely foolish beyond belief.

sign of a really ignorant person indeed.

Posted by: anon at March 28, 2007 4:01 PM

I remember that bar too! It was a great place, years ahead of its time. I still tell people about it. Anyone know why the family shut it down?

Posted by: Elena at March 28, 2007 4:37 PM

to anon 11:35: There is a middle ground between letting an old building become a decaying wreck of an eyesore and pulling it down and putting up brand-new crap. That building, in it's current state, is NOT charmingly decrepit. It is an asthestic blight. Someone needs to go in and clean it up.

Posted by: anonymous at March 28, 2007 5:21 PM

Yeah, I remember the Landmark Pub. Just like others said -- open when it was warm enough (no heat), toys strewn around, lots of tambourines for sing-alongs and stuff. Vibe closer to old key west or Madison, WI, than early hipster Billyburgh. Fun for awhile, then you outgrow it. 25 years ago people I knew complained of no heat in the apartments, as well. There's a lot to the story of this strange building with a strange past and strange owners that no one will ever really know.

Also, in posts re: other abandoned slope buildings, no one has mentioned the one on 3rd Street just below 7th Ave. Anyone know the deal?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 5:32 PM

Can the same person who keeps posting over and over again, defending this crazy woman who is abusing the law that is meant to protect low-income people, NOT wealthy people like her, please sign in and use their real name? Go ahead, do it. Or is your last name Nash?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 5:34 PM

501 SECOND STREET HOLDING CORP. is the record owner on the most recent deed to the property. 501 SECOND STREET HOLDING CORP. also took out a one million dollar loan from Norma Vigo, with an address of 2179 Bogart Avenue, in the Bronx, in 2004. Bogart? Sheit! Maybe that million bucks was used to pay back taxes because its clear that it didn't get invested into the building's upkeep. I would like to bogart this building and turn it my park slope fantasy palace paradise.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 5:49 PM

anon 4:01 dont misquote me I said "I'd love to be like them one day without worring about renting or selling". all that other crap was added by you. why dont you learn to fucking read before calling people names.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 10:26 PM

5:34pm -- I posted once, at 11:35 am, the rest is other people. Don't be a child. You're anonymous too. Part of the fun of ripping into each other. I would be REALLY psyched to find out that the Nashes are actually gracing our middling, mediocre presences on this dull real estate site with their weird selves.

Yes, I agree that it is toobad the place is causing so much trouble for neighbors and passersby. That, I will agree, I was being naive about. But I have seen the place and I have no problem with it, other than the danger, and for that I have a choice of where to walk.

Where are the real new yorkers? Have we been overrun by suburbia?

I am too young to have had the opportunity to party at the Landmark. WISH WISH WISH. I'm so envious of your memories, older people.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 28, 2007 11:44 PM

go nashes. it's oddities like this that make neighborhoods--if it weren't for this very interesting family, would the building itself be interesting, or would it be just another building (granted, with good architectural style), or worse (owned by investors, gutted, etc.)? sucks for the neighbors, maybe, but the place is quiet at least.

Posted by: matty at March 29, 2007 8:50 AM

Remember what the urinals looked like in the Pub? They were so big you could have showered in them... accept they had NO RUNNING WATER!

Posted by: Porcelain fetish at March 29, 2007 10:22 AM

I've lived in Park Slope for over 25 years and remember what a totally quirky but fun place the Landmark Pub was.

There are a number of odd, abandoned and semi-abandoned places in the neighborhood, i.e. the brownstone with trees growing in it on Seventh Avenue and Third Street and the more recently burned out buildings on both sides of Seventh Avenue between Union and Berkeley. There was a similar brownstone on Berkeley between Seventh and Eighth Aves that was more or less boarded up for years - and there were 'satanic' symbols scrawled over some of the windows. Someone finally bought it and it's now completely renovated out the ying-yang.

Posted by: J Dude at March 29, 2007 10:32 AM

11:44 and 8:50, since when is falling glass and debris, and disease-ridden rats and pigeons, and a structure that is becoming basically just a huge pile of kindling and a major fire hazard, some kind of charming landmark full of character? It's obvious you resent aspects of Park Slope. But please, don't wish for a fine old building to gradually disintegrate, just because you hate people in Park Slope. You're going to be in your late 30's, pushing around a child in a stroller one day too, worrying about schools. Perhaps not as obessively and in such a status-obsessed way as some, but it'll happen. And you can think back to when you took so much pleasure in the fact that families on this block were forced to live next door to this monstrous travesty of a building. As for whatever it is you are taking issue with, nobody is saying make luxury condos out of the building. They're just saying don't let it fall to pieces. Hello, how can anyone in their right mind argue with that? You can see why someone thought you might be one or all of the Nashes themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 10:47 AM

If there is in fact a genuine and critical mass of community concern - consistent with that of the comments at 10:47 - then there is a simple (and very neighborly) act that those with a vested interest in the neighborhood might want to consider.

Why not - in the spirit of a Quaker 'Barn Raising' or other communal act of kindness - gather a small group of concerned individuals (possibly from or through the Park Slope Association, Block Association(s), or somesuch) to volunteer to perform the sort of small scale and non-demanding stopgap fixes (removing broken and dangling windows, re-boarding exposed openings, ect.) that would seem be in the best interest of all involved?

Seriously, as opposed to the sort of (seemingly) vindictive machinations suggested by commenter 1:22 or the somewhat machiavellian attempt to buy out a clearly disinterested seller of commenter 1:30, why not try for a win-win solution that continues the growing sense of community in the area?

If you care enough to spend time fretting online about this circumstance would it be that much of a bother to take a saturday to not just help a member of the community and better the neighborhood but to additionally teach the children (whose safety and welfare are in part the reason for your concern) a lesson in helpfullness and community to boot?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 12:51 PM

As someone who lives next door to the other abandoned building further down on Second Street, let me assure you that these run-down buildings are not an asset to the neighborhood in any way. While some people here have said that they add character or make Park Slope more interesting, what they don't realize is that these abandoned brownstones don't just rot from the inside out, they contaminate the buildings they are connected to on either side. Our building's roof (we live on the top floor) is infested with squirrels who have come over through the firewall connecting our building to the abandoned building. Because the hole is on the abandoned building's side and the landlord is unreachable (and could care less), there's no long-term solution to the problem. We've tried every solution possible, but until the delinquent landlord begins the long process of gutting and renovating the building, we will live with animals constantly scurrying above. But maybe that's just another person's idea of "character."

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 1:52 PM

12:51,

The family that owns the building is not destitute and has been uncooperative with past requests from neighbors and the city agencies to protect the structure from further decay, much less a restoration.

You need the building owner's permission to perform work on any building; a "communal act of kindness" represented by a group of caring citizens doing work for free, even if they were experts or professionals, would not be exempt from this rule.

This is why everyone just wants the family to sell the property if they won't fix it. Pretty simple concept.

Neighbors have the right to be pissed off - nothing has been done and it's been many years. I once parked next to this building some months ago and when i returned debris had fallen on the sidewalk. There was no shed then, either. Not cool.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 2:42 PM

Anonymous 12:51- "barn raising"? Get real- Just because neighborood folks feel strongly negative about the property doesn't mean they have any obligation or even inclination to put out for a renovation for insensitive, decidedly un-neighborly types like the Nashes. Reward them for their bad behavior and for owning a $5+ million property to boot? Just nonsense. All they are doing is leaving the biggest trash heap out for everyone to see for as long as they can- and it's been years. When was the last time the City missed a fine for someone leaving garbage out on the sidewalk for years? If they succeed at this in the end no one will have gained but the Nashes. How cynical of all of those who are critical of folks who want to see this property improved or at least made safe.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 4:19 PM

Im for made safe but improve is up to the owners. Park Slope has very strong community board, group, team association whatever just look at how fast it took them to shut down the DOT's plans. We at Prospect Heights are struggling with a major Rat problem. Why not just contact the Nashes and force them to make it safe?

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 6:11 PM

I would rather give to a real charity than to a nut who just happens to be rich and doesn't care about their neighbors property rights and the neighborhood safety. They obviously are under some sort of pressure from somewhere to pretend that they are marketing this property (or why the bogus offer to lease for 50 years for a ridiculous sum?) Wish I knew where the pressure came from because maybe that's how we could get them to sell for real instead of this bs.

Posted by: Anonymous at March 29, 2007 8:55 PM

I don't know what anyone is doing comparing the Landmark Pub to Williamsburg or talking about Dorothy Nash as a nice old lady.

They're collectively a bag of nuts. Dorothy, Esther and Rachel. All of them. They have more than enough money to fix the place up. But they choose not to.

Don't feel sorry for them or waste time thinking about their 'situation'. The building should be torn down or seized by the city.

And it's a very good point made by someone above. Ratner can get the city to evict people out of decent apartments because of 'blight', but rotting mold-filled rat-infested buildings like this can stay up? Why?

Posted by: Nash-it-Up at March 31, 2007 2:19 AM

Anonymous 4:19 -

Respectfully, your OWN comment - when repeated back to you with the nouns reversed - clearly reflects the problematic reasoning central to the standoff (and preventing the problem from actually being resolved)...
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"Just because neighborhood folks feel strongly negative about the property doesn't mean [THE NASHES] have any obligation or even inclination to put out for a renovation for insensitive, decidedly un-neighborly types like [ANONYMOUS AT 4:19]."
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The REAL issue - or at least when your own expectations are being placed onto OTHERS - is the NEIGHBORHOOD and COMMUNITY as a whole.

Feeble points about...'Reward[ing] them for their bad behavior and for owning a $5+ million property to boot?'... are meaningless red herring issues: in-point-of-fact the same FINES from the City you so bitterly references already serve to PUNISH any non-neighborly behavior on the Nashes part.

My earlier point at 12:51 is that - as long as you wish to see "neighborliness"
as a one-way expectation you place on others as opposed to a genuine ACTION - your seeming selfishness (and envy?) shines through and REINFORCES the hesitancy/recalcitrance on the other side.

Stop concerning yourself merely with PREVENTING the ...'gain[s] [of] the Nashes'..., and focus on ACTIVELY PROMOTING the gains of the COMMUNITY.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 6, 2007 1:52 PM

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