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August 7, 2007

House of the Day: 207 Berkeley Place

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207berkint.jpgIt's amazing that in this day and age a brownstone in prime Park Slope would still be listed the old-fashioned way—with a hand-made picket sign in the front yard—but such is the case with 207 Berkeley Place. (Cementing the broker's old-school cred is the accompanying ad in the Village Voice—remember when that was the starting point for any apartment hunt?) The 4-story, 2-family house is being offered through Roy Manganelli (at 718-768-8888) for $2,900,000 $2,700,000. The house is divided into two duplexes and looks like the original details are very much intact, albeit in some need of a spruce-up. We're guessing that, even though the sign just went up a few days ago, one of you has already checked it out. So cough up the goods!
4-Story, 2-Family Brownstone [Village Voice] GMAP P*Shark




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Brownstoner -- the ad says 2.7, not 2.9...

Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 1:33 PM

Ad says $2.7M, yes?

A pretty penny indeed.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 1:34 PM

Hmm...Maybe they just dropped the price...200k instant equity.

Posted by: djr at August 7, 2007 1:35 PM

Considering we wrote this up at the end of last week, that's probably the case...our bad.

Posted by: Brownstoner at August 7, 2007 1:44 PM

saw the place last week.

it's a really lovely house in need of some substantial work. i think most of it is cosmetic, but the details are all there...and they are gorgeous!

the garden level is a doctor's office currently being rented out. i think it would work quite nicely for a one family, however.

it's a really beautiful tree-lined block, great access to transportation and the park, shops, etc.

there is also a nice extension on the back and a garden with a lot of potential. the house just needs some serious tlc.

it's one of those places that you walk into and can just feel the history. go with an open mind, as it is in no way staged, and there is a family story involved that you'll have to ask roy about yourself, if you go visit.

it's a gem in the rough, for sure.

Posted by: slopehead at August 7, 2007 1:55 PM

A beautiful marriage of listing naiveté (give it to Corco already) and greed. Old school picket listing didn't stop the owner from shooting for the stars on ask price.

That said, it's prime so it will sell.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 1:56 PM

also forgot to mention...the agent said to bring your contractor, he can let you know how much work might be involved, and then make an offer.

you are right, i think they are shooting for the stars in terms of price, but i think (restored) this would be just one of the loveliest places around...

Posted by: slopehead at August 7, 2007 2:03 PM

sorry to post yet again, but i was curious your thoughts on what a fully restored brownstone in this part of park slope would sell for, in your opinion?

i don't see too many listed, so it's hard to judge.

Posted by: slopehead at August 7, 2007 2:06 PM

I went to visit the brownstone late last week and itz to die for! I would check other listings in the area because I heard the owners are Bulgarian and we all know how bulgarians can be a little "non-truthy" when it comes to home sales.

Posted by: Christian Slaterz at August 7, 2007 2:08 PM

if i'm not mistaken, the owner passed away.

Posted by: slopehead at August 7, 2007 2:11 PM

does the broker's last name mean "eater of Nelli"?

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 2:16 PM

Hello,

Love the interest our place is getting on brownstoner! Christian and slopehead are right on both accounts (although I have had a pleasant time with Bulgarians). If you have any questions please don't hesitate to give me or the owners son a call. His number is (608)347-9619 and he goes by Hristo. Thanks again for the interest!

Posted by: Roy Manganelli at August 7, 2007 2:30 PM

does anyone know what happened to that other "gem in the rough" in Cobble Hill that everyone was bickering back a few months back -- 44? Strong Place? I heard the price was dropped and that it was still on the market. Seems that one is ripe for the picking. I saw it at an early open house and would think it would be worth close to $4m with a full renovation, given what's selling right around the corner.

Posted by: anonymous at August 7, 2007 2:31 PM

"...your thoughts on what a fully restored brownstone in this part of park slope would sell for..."

depends on what "fully restored" entails, but could be 3.5

Posted by: been around at August 7, 2007 2:31 PM

What the hell are you talking about Christian. My family is Bulgarian and I have never heard of what you speak of!

Posted by: ANON at August 7, 2007 2:43 PM

ANON is not a Bulgarian name, it is Albanian.
This is large house. Easily should sell for asking. Only problem is not much exposure (I mean, really, the Village Voice to sell a Park Slope brownstone?)

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 3:31 PM

here's my take on it. i think it probably needs about 500K worth of work.

although i do think given the market and the size and the location, blah blah that 2.7 million doesn't seem too bad.

but the problem is that you don't see too many brownstones go for much more than 3 million around here. i think some of the nicer ones like this could test the market for the 3 million plus park slope brownstone market, but it seems a little iffy.

if you're buying because you have a large family, love it and want to stay for the next 30 years, it's nearly a no brainer, however.

Posted by: slopehead at August 7, 2007 3:36 PM

A place on St. John's recently sold for $3m and was 3400 sq ft.
This house is 4600 sq ft so I don't think $2.7 is too much to ask.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 3:49 PM

Slopehead, I feel the same way. What would you pay for this listing.

Me, I would pay 1.75 - 1.9

Posted by: SlopeToo at August 7, 2007 4:07 PM

3:49 - I think I saw that listing at St John and it was in much better shape. Also they overpaid.

Posted by: Anony at August 7, 2007 4:36 PM

It's got all the lovely detail intact and it's in an unbeatable location. I'm not surprised at the 2.7 million price tag. Someone who wants to move into the neighborhood will have that money.

Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 5:27 PM

5:27 - I take it you will pay 2.7 for it.

Posted by: SlopeToo at August 7, 2007 6:02 PM

6:02 -- No, I could never afford this price. But given the prices that brownstones in this neighborhood are commanding, I don't think the price is realistic. I've often thought of cashing out and buy an already renovated place in park slope, but there just aren't any deals anymore. I actually live across the street from this house. We were lucky to buy our apartment when we did 15 years ago. We could never afford it now.

Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 6:08 PM

oops -- I meant "unrealistic" in the above post.

Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 6:09 PM

In the current climate, it would take a special kind of buyer to shell out 2.3 million dollars to buy a house that needs half a million dollars worth of repairs.
I agree that it is a lovely house in a great location, but does that translate to 2.8 million dollars?
I think the answer three months ago was yes. Today I think it is maybe, maybe not. there is a housing meltdown affecting the economy right now that could improve tomorrow or drag down the entire US economy, it is no small thing, i think anyone that could afford this sort of investment would be saavy enough to be cautious, not saying i don't love the house, or Brooklyn, or pretty victorian woodwork, I'm just talking the state of the economy.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 8:28 PM

The state of the economy is still good. Doesn't make too much sense to list with a broker who has sold virtually no brownstones?? Does this guy have any experience. For what the family is saving by giving the listing to a friend who has little to know experience, they should have hired Brown Harris or some other high-end broker to market the property to obtain wider exposure and end up with top dollar.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 8:41 PM

Oh my gosh, i made a mistake, the house is actually listed at 2.7 million so after half million dollar repairs, it is a 3.2 million dollar house.
Geez!
Does someone with that kind of dough really care that it is close to the subway? Is the guy or gal in this house goin to hop on the number 2 to get to Manhattan? I think this market is crazy, Brooklyn is not that nice.
In fact it has a lot of rough edges.
I think the current market in brooklyn is a peculiar phenomenon that people will study for generations.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 8:55 PM

8:55pm - yes, a phenomenon that should extend to Bed-Stuy where I am currently in contract to buy - let's keep it going, please!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 9:39 PM

8:55--wow, every sentence of your post is ridiculous.

"does someone with that kind of dough . . ." you obviously think that everyone with money inherited it or something. hate to break it to you but a lot of people work damn hard for their money--they even do something as crazy as commute to downtown from brooklyn!!!

"brooklyn is not that nice"--i can't begin to address this.

Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 10:16 PM

Okay, everything is worth something. Knowing what you know about the place how much will you buy it for. Give your best offer taking consideration of location, econony, etc.

Posted by: SlopeToo at August 7, 2007 10:37 PM

i'm gonna say 2.5 million would be an OK price, perhaps. give it some tlc and you've got a place you can stay in for a while and enjoy. i wouldn't say that's a bargain, per se...but an ok price. these houses are special and they aren't making more. something like this would be twice this on the upper west side, and in my opinion park slope is a preferable place to live. and i realize not everyone would agree, but those that do would likely be interested in this house.

to the brooklyn isn't that nice stuff...oakland california isn't that nice, parts of d.c. aren't that nice, lots of la certainly isn't that nice...but they are all extremely expensive. this isn't a brooklyn phenomenon. this is a case of our cities making a huge comeback from 40 plus years of primarily suburban living.

it has been studied. quite extensively.

although i do happen to think brooklyn is quite nice. wouldn't want to live many other places, in fact.

Posted by: slopehead at August 8, 2007 1:22 AM

Maybe Roy Manganelli ain't so dumb. Doesn't anyone see the irony? All this talk of "not a brownstone broker" and "Oh Gosh, the Village Voice"....well, the guy is getting some kick ass free advertising right here. Look how big his name and number is in the photo! Go, Roy.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 8, 2007 7:04 AM

Difference being that a rowhouse in DC would be around 6-700k vs 2.7mil. Even a ludicrously large (6k sqft) corner rowhouse in a fairly desirable area near the U street corridor would be 1.3mil.

See: http://www.dcurbanproperties.com/MyHomeDtl.asp?lstPages=1&HomeID=492988

Brooklyn, in terms of other rowhouse towns, is insanely high priced.

Posted by: se at August 8, 2007 8:59 AM

holy crap that DC house is nice! I moving to DC!

See ya.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 8, 2007 10:26 AM

two more notes:

roy is retired. he came out of retirement to help the family with this sale only. he's a friend of the family.

they have had an investor interested in the place, but the remaining family does not wish to go that route.

georgetown townhouses go for upwards of 2 million and i see zero difference between there and park slope or brooklyn heights.

i could find you 20 listings of townhomes in san francisco without blinking for above this price.

the point is, it isn't a brooklyn phenomenon. you should take a look at some of the other real estate markets out there...seattle, boston, los angeles. i think you'd be surprised.

Posted by: slopehead at August 8, 2007 10:38 AM

Let's not forget Paris, London and Hong Kong which are all far more expensive.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 8, 2007 10:48 AM

No matter. With Jumbo mortgage rates going through the roof, nothing will be selling for the moment i.e. until the mortgage market figures out where it wants its rates to go.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 8, 2007 11:07 AM

i don't agree, 11:07.

while the housing market is and should be cooling, i'm not sure that someone buying 3 million dollar properties are quite as affected by a percentage point increase in mortgage rates.

i'll let everyone know when i see the sign disappear.

roy said he's had quite a few calls (and that was before the brownstoner post yesterday) so it appears that his homemade sign might be doing the trick.

Posted by: slopehead at August 8, 2007 11:13 AM

sf is not brooklyn.
georgetown is not brooklyn (maybe bh.)
seattle is dirt cheap.
i could buy a house in west hollywood for under 1mil.

brooklyn is vastly expensive considering the downsides. and i /like/ brooklyn, but the prices do not bear up.

Posted by: se at August 8, 2007 12:22 PM

The guy has no experience. Came out of retirement?? He is not doing the family any favors.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 8, 2007 8:44 PM

Actually we are not Bulgarians, as one poster suggests.

Our family, the Bushes of Palo Alto, CA., are English and came over to the original Jamestown, VA settlement.

This is a beautiful home, purchased and restored by my father, who sadly passed away last year.

Posted by: guest at September 20, 2007 10:03 PM

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