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August 7, 2007
Parlor Kitchen #7: Doing It On The Cheap

Not everyone can afford to drop $50,000 or more on a kitchen, so we were interested to receive this submission from a couple who did their kitchen for a fraction of the price.
This is not a high-end kitchen, cabinets being IKEA, Summit refrigerator and Magic Chef range, but for us it's plenty functional (and my wife does cook a lot.) It also cost about $15k including plumbing from basement in 2001. We decided to put the appliances on the door side of the 16x17 room, so that the cook could be part of the living room action. The room was bare when we moved in and we had some non-so-useful help from IKEA. For one thing, we were not told that we could have put less-deep top cabinets in front of the radiator, towards the right, and continued the counter top to the wall (which is why there's only a table there now.) To forestall any criticism of the placement of the d/w, getting round it when open is quite possible and not an issue. We replaced the right window with door to deck, which is not quite finished yet. In retrospect, we should have leveled the opening. The plan was also to have a couple of small barstools at the counter, but our dining table is too wide for now.
How have other readers found using Ikea cabinets? They can be a bitch to install unless you know what you're doing, but they've ended up working out well for us.
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there is no way a professional chef could use this kitchen.
also, anyone who doesn't cook over a homemade fire made of recycled newspapers is a pox upon our environment.
ok, with those comments out of the way, we can begin the thread.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 10:44 AM
I think it looks very nice and it's great to see a reasonably priced kitchen renovation! Does the island extend to the wall? I can't quite tell from the photo. And I don't understand the comments about the depth of the upper cabinets and extending the countertop below them--from the photo, I don't see how the upper cabinets could have been an obstacle to an extended countertop. Maybe I'm just not looking at it right.
Posted by: Anon at August 7, 2007 10:49 AM
10:44 AM - What stands in the way of cooking? It's functional - has an exhaust which some of the previous kitchens didn't. While the stove isn't that wide it appears to me it can feed a family and friends.
Posted by: Anony at August 7, 2007 10:50 AM
10:50--i assume 10:44 was just poking fun at previous posts in this series.
Posted by: anon at August 7, 2007 10:56 AM
10:50, I think it was a joke.
I think this is great. A friendly, well-used kitchen instead of an impress-your-friends-and-neighbors showstopper. Thanks for sharing!
Posted by: Shirley at August 7, 2007 10:56 AM
10:50, I think that 10:44 was joking because some tool always posts a complaint that no kitchen (except his/hers, of course) could possibly work for a serious chef. I chuckled...
Posted by: GHB at August 7, 2007 10:58 AM
10:50 - I think 10:44 was trying making fun of the comments in previous parlour kitchen posts. People made asinine remarks about how the kitchens were not equipped for professional chefs.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 10:58 AM
"trying to make fun of" not "trying making"...sorry
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 10:59 AM
What I like:
• The change in level of the counter as you approach the window: I know that table isn't what you planned, but I think breaking up the scale of the counter is great.
• The way the microwave is tucked away
• The lights over the cabinets, and good choice with glass fronts
• The fact that you (appear to have) vented the stove properly
• The fact that there is landing space on both sides of the stove and both sides of the sink
• The IKEA cabinets: great value for the money
I don't love the refrigerator placement, but it's a sensible compromise and certainly functional. I would have considered turning the existing crown moulding along the new soffit/ceiling juncture. The steps up to the deck don't bother me, except that I'm sure the door is hard to open in snow (if there is a screen/storm door beyond). I'll confess I like the varieties of finishes and cabinet heights -- while not high art the whole effect avoids being "matchy-poo."
But most importantly, I like the price. Nice work!
--an architect in Brooklyn
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 11:00 AM
hah! 10:44, that was funny and sadly accurate based on the other kitchen threads.
Two questions:
1) What are the countertops made of?
2) Where does the range hood vent terminate? On the roof? In the back?
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 11:00 AM
We did our (tiny) galley kitchen with Ikea cabinets - the same (Nexus?) birch used here, in fact. 4 top cabinets, 2 bottom, one over the fridge, and a massive 2' deep 8' tall pantry. Total budget, including new stove and dishwasher (GE/Bosch respectively) was about $4k. Not a showpiece, but looks really nice and was an affordable way to upgrade from the white melamine that was there. I found hanging the Ikea cabs to be entirely straightforward, and did the whole project in two weekends.
I also got one of the stock Ikea countertops, which I do *not* recommend except as a temporary stopgap. It was only $80 or something, but it is already puffing/delaminating over the dishwasher. That will be replaced soon with something more hardy.
Posted by: rj at August 7, 2007 11:03 AM
It's a teeny detail, but I like how the microwave, while not mounted over the stove, is off the counter and on the shelf. It's a good (quick and cheap) solution for those of us who need the counter space but who might not want/be able to install one of those over-stove models.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 11:27 AM
anyone have further info about where to find "scratch and dent" appliances? opinions about mid-range appliances that are good-looking and functional but don't cost a fortune? also, anyone have marble kitchen counter tops that could offer their experience with them? thanks.
Posted by: anony at August 7, 2007 11:42 AM
This kitchen looks great and really open and workable.
We also installed our own IKEA cabinetry in the kitchen about five years ago. It looks as good as they day we installed it. IMHO, affordable cabinetry/storage is the thing IKEA does best.
We also installed a wood butcherblock type countertop, which I now regret. It looks nice but has to be oiled, and is now separating in many places.
Posted by: Kath at August 7, 2007 11:42 AM
Kudos to installing a ful size kitchen for 15k. But there is a little too much goiung on here in terms of cabinet and appliance styles. I would have sprung for either a stainless dw, or one that can be paneled to match. Full length upper cab in wood above the sink. The glass is nice but when the kitchen has normal daily clutter it's TMI. When you redo the counter, try having the same surface, at the same width, cover the side of the island. Love the DYI ethos but some professional advice--even if it came from a book or magazine--would have made your good kitchen look great.
Posted by: EG at August 7, 2007 12:24 PM
I like it, especially the two heights. I also like the fridge placement -- allows people to get to the fridge for a drink while not getting in cook's way. I don't love the countertops, but - eh - not a dealbreaker.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 12:40 PM
I'm not in the market to redo a kitchen, but since we're on the subject, whenever our family goes to Italy, my husband and I scratch our heads as to why in the U.S. whe don't have the cabinet over the sink that has a dishrack bottom. Do you know what I'm talking about? It basically has a wire grill underneath so you can wash dishes and basically put them in a cabinet right over the sink to dry. It's genius and really terrific for a cramped NYC apt. Is that something you can find in the U.S.? Like I said, I've never actually looked for it, but if we ever do take the leap and buy, I would love it in my kitchen.
Posted by: ParkSlopeRenter at August 7, 2007 12:42 PM
I like it! It demonstrates that you don't have to spend big bucks to create an attractive, functional kitchen.
To RJ: I'd love to see pix of your galley kitchen as well. JB, maybe a follow-up to the parlor kitchen series could be a galley kitchen series?
Posted by: Park Sloper at August 7, 2007 12:47 PM
Island does extend to wall. Comment about cabs: Since radiator protrudes from wall, we could've used 12" wall cabinets as base cabinets where table is, so counter could've been level (but then, as noted, the differing levels is a plus?). Agree about stainless d/w. Range hood and plumbing vent is in soffit, former exiting thru rear wall.
Posted by: kitchen OP at August 7, 2007 12:54 PM
Sears has scratch & dent outlets, but I don't know of any nearby (the only one I've been to was in Fall River, Mass.). Sears also carries a pretty good line of appliances (not just Kenmore), so you can usually find some good stuff.
In terms of mid-range appliances, we've been very happy with a KitchenAid gas range - ours was about $1300 or so, and has very good burners and good cooking surface (suitable for a professional chef!).
Posted by: Halden at August 7, 2007 1:00 PM
This looks like a real kitchen, not a bachelor's pretend kitchen like we have seen before.
Perfectly nice, but the proof is in the pudding, and the lamb chops, and the pasta, etc. etc.
Posted by: Mildred Pierce at August 7, 2007 1:43 PM
OHMYGOD!
I see a toaster and a blender left out on the counter. The dust! The horror!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 1:45 PM
I disagree with EG about the variety of cabinets and varying counter heights not looking good. It not only looks great, but it's totally the latest thing in kitchens. The most fashionable. What's tired is all one color cabinets and everything built in and monotonous. I have all built-ins now because we have a small galley kitchen (a set-up I love, I'm not dissing the galley) but ideally someday I'd like a big room full of a mix of freestanding pieces, along with the built-in cabinets. And with eclecticism, mixing antique freestanding pieces with rolling steel tables and new wood cabinets installed. The overall impression, like this kitchen here, is one of playfulness and experimentation. Which hello, is what we want in a chef, too!
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 2:27 PM
Oh come on, to each his own, 1:45. If you want to leave out the appliances all the time, do so. But don't, in your deep insecurity, insist that all of us absolutely have to do that too just so you don't feel left out. It's weird to get so obsessed over your hatred of clean kitchens without stuff sitting out.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 2:31 PM
Oh and by the way, the toaster and blender are NOT sitting out. Look at the photo again.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 2:35 PM
We renovated our (*very* small galley) kitchen last year, and used Ikea because we wanted simple, white, high-gloss cabinets and didn't think it seemed worth paying a lot more for them. (It also left room in our budget for "fancier" appliances and some custom woodworking.:) Our contractor installed it all very quickly and easily, and noted that the hardware was of excellent quality. We've been delighted with the results, both aesthetically and practically. Personally, I think a lot of Ikea's *furniture* is real junk, but I think their kitchen cabinets are great value for the money.
P.S. We did exactly what the original poster descibed above--used a shallower-depth wall cabinet on the floor next to our stove, where the wall was less deep (because of the exhaust column behind it). Worked perfectly, and you'd never tell the difference.
Posted by: StateStreeter at August 7, 2007 2:38 PM
Re scratch and dent: I got a GE Profile bottom-freezer refrigerator and gas stove from Craigslist for $150 total. The sellers were redoing the kitchen and had to get rid of them. THe appliances were almost new and in perfect condition, although off-white which I understand is not as desirable as stainless. They had sold new for almost $1k each.
It cost me more to have them delivered than to pay for them.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 3:12 PM
I have a clue for the poster who thinks it is weird and "dirty" to leave appliances out on the counter, and yes, I do see a toaster and a blender in the picture, you have a chemical imbalence in your brain that makes you an anal compulsive nut. Others are not "dirty" you are "wacked out". -Got it?
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 3:19 PM
Just had a summit range and fridge delivered from here along with a ge dishwasher - free delivery and no sales tax - cheaper than anyplace else i found in greater nyc
http://www.appliancesbuyphone.com/
Posted by: GRM at August 7, 2007 3:43 PM
3:19, I didn't think it was weird to leave out appliances on the counters. Didn't say that. I was saying it was weird to be so obsessed about promoting the concept so ardently on Brownstoner, like you have on all the kitchen reno threads. It's becoming very tiresome and nobody thinks it is worth debating as much as you do. Sorry, not taking it back, I still say it's weird to obsess over it. Plus why is it okay for you to continually insult minimalist kitchens, but not okay for somebody to express why they do not like things sitting out all the time? Double-standard is what it's called.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 3:45 PM
Great that they did this kitchen on the cheap and it's functional and looks OK, but it can't compare to those on previous threads.
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 9:08 PM
in answer to the question about how marble countertops work -we ahve had ours for 3 years and love it - you have to let it age with grace and not obsess over everything. I prefer it to all other surfaces - we've had butcher block, formica, stainless, granite and this has been the best in terms of look, feel and durability
Posted by: Anonymous at August 7, 2007 10:09 PM
Can you tell me more about your Summit refrigerator and what you know about the company? They make the only fridge that is the perfect size for my kitchen, but I have never heard of the brand and am a little concerned about going out on a limb. Thanks!
Posted by: guest at September 21, 2007 9:43 AM

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