Open House Picks
Fort Greene 16 Willoughby Avenue Corcoran Saturday 1-2 $1,969,000 GMAP P*Shark South Slope 216 14th Street Townsley & Gay Sunday 12-2 $1,595,000 GMAP P*Shark Prospect Lefferts Gardens 23 Chester Court Fillmore Sunday 2-4 $699,000 GMAP P*Shark Bedford Stuyvesant 263 Bainbridge Street Douglas Elliman Sunday 1-3 $609,000 GMAP P*Shark
Fort Greene
16 Willoughby Avenue
Corcoran
Saturday 1-2
$1,969,000
GMAP P*Shark
South Slope
216 14th Street
Townsley & Gay
Sunday 12-2
$1,595,000
GMAP P*Shark
Prospect Lefferts Gardens
23 Chester Court
Fillmore
Sunday 2-4
$699,000
GMAP P*Shark
Bedford Stuyvesant
263 Bainbridge Street
Douglas Elliman
Sunday 1-3
$609,000
GMAP P*Shark
It’s never middle class family homeowners or renters who improve amenities. Middle class families tend to stay home and seldom go out to dinner much less go out drinking. Restaurants make their most money from alcohol. Not food delivery. So it’s low to middle income young hip renters who improve amenities. And that’s exactly who is moving into these buildings in PLG.
10:52, Who said Chester wasn’t a dead end street? That is pretty much the point–you’re bookended by the subway on one end and the nasty apartment buildings on the other. The discussion did also include the buildings on the other side of Flatbush as well, but everyone knows that Chester is a dead end. Try to pay attention.
You people are crazy. Chester Court is a dead end street. I grew up and still live in PLG on a prime block so I know what I’m talking about.
I believe you 5:45, regarding what you’ve seen, or not seen. Nevertheless I’ve been very surprised by my own occasional “sightings” at buildings I wouldn’t have expected to gentrify in my lifetime.
OTOH the worst buildings in PLG and other parts of Flatbush are far better [and safer] than buildings in the E. Village [for example] in which my contemporaries rented apartments in the late ’60s [although those apartments rented for amounts that were cheap even for people earning 60s-level $$–i.e. $35–$40 per month].
I don’t envy the rents people starting out now are forced to pay.
Bob, all I can say is that I haven’t seen any new middle class residents in those buildings. I have in other buildings, but not in those. I do go by those buildings regularly. As for Lime, I assume it will draw from all of LM/PLG and PPS.
2:48,
Much of what you write about the buildings on Flatbush Ave. south of Midwood Street is still true, BUT you are wrong when you write that the changes 1;03 pointed out have not happened at all. In the last couple of years I have seen, and been surprised by, the changes in these buildings. That is not to say that there aren’t still ” noise, loiterers, and…drug buyers”, but there are certainly new middle class residents in these same buildings. I did not really expect this change in these particular buildings, but I can’t deny the evidence of my own eyes.
It will be interesting to see what the clientle in Lime, the new bar on Flatbush near Hawthorne, is like.I’ve only been there once, for their opening night which was a Maple Street School fundraiser, and I’m a bit too old to hang out in bars, but I’m still curious.
Seems like MM finally conceded that things are not as he seems.
Thank you for backing down MM so that the rest of us can get back to house prices.
Let’s leave the stupid comments for The What.
lol
2:47, I really am not interested in carrying on a 2 person debate on who is worthy and who isn’t. For what it’s worth, I’ve never assumed you were white, quite the contrary, I’ve pretty much known you were not since day one. And I really fail to see how anything in my last paragraph, or anywhere else, assumes any kind of racial identification.
The fact that anyone of means, black, white or otherwise, is now finding our neighborhoods desirable, is due to all of us who, over the last 30 years, in one form or another, kept the dealers out as much as we could, formed neighborhood watches and block associations, worked with the precincts, or just kept our kids on the straight and narrow, and away from the thug life. We’ve had successes, failures, and we’ve lost some great people whose names will never be known. To assume that your new presence in these neighborhoods is the first opportunity for lawfulness, assumes a degree of hubris that does not become you as my neighbor and a new fighter for the cause.
The “easy” thing would be to bypass the rule of law and clean the streets permanently. While that sounds great as a 2 hour movie, and may even resonate with anyone, including myself, at times frustrated at the death, distruction, and abysmal ignorance and waste, it is not a viable or legal alternative. Therefore, I’d rather spend my time trying to figure out how hope, rather than horror, can be used to motivate, along with the laws we have, and the enforcement, thereof. That may make me a weepy, liberal, do-gooder. Fine. I don’t see where that makes me an apologist for a criminal element.
I don’t think we are ever going to agree on this, so let’s agree to disagree, and both do what we can for our communities. We all want the same thing in the long run – the safety and security to live our lives in the communities of our choice.