A Reprieve for Historic Brownsville Church
In a surprise move, it appears that the Catholic Diocese has decided to spare the Lady of Loreto church from the wrecking ball. While the church has yet to issue a formal statement, The Daily News reported on Friday that a compromise has been reached that would avoid demolition. The decision comes after months of…
In a surprise move, it appears that the Catholic Diocese has decided to spare the Lady of Loreto church from the wrecking ball. While the church has yet to issue a formal statement, The Daily News reported on Friday that a compromise has been reached that would avoid demolition. The decision comes after months of negotiations with a preservationist group comprised largely of Italian Americans that sought to save a piece of its cultural heritage that has fallen into disuse as the neighborhood has transformed over recent decades to a largely black community. The Catholic Church had been planning to tear down the turn of the century structure to make way for 88 units of affordable housing. Under the new preservation plan, the church will be preserved, possibly as some kind of community center, and 50 or so affordable apartments would be built. “It’s a toned-down plan but at least we have saved the church,” said Charles Piazza, who’s led the preservation fight. “There are a lot of conversations taking place but there have been no decisions,” said Msgr. Kieran Harrington, a Brooklyn Diocese spokesman.
Brownsville Community Saves Church from Demolition [NY Daily News]
Lady of Loreto’s Most Desperate Hour [Brownstoner]
Fight to Preserve Ocean Hill Church [Brownstoner]
Photo from Loretochurch.com
I haven’t read this blog for a couple years, but I decided to check it out to see how it’s going. I stopped reading, for the most part, because of vulgar, baiting trolls who were more concerned with insulting people than discussing issues.
Unfortunately, not much has changed. Is there any way I could just shut off the what-baloney and read Montrose’s thoughtful comments?
First of all, the campaign to save Our Lady of Loreto is not about Blacks, Catholics, Italian-Americans or former parishioners.
There is much more to this story then you will read about in the newspaper.
First of all, yes, it was the Italian-Americans and former parishioners that first started the campaign to saved the church. Not just because of their sentimental ties to the church. But because of the beauty, history and architectural design of this 103 year old building. Also, it was the people in the Brownsville community that were looking for someone to save this building and it was the former parishioners who answered their pleas for help.
So, at that point the Italian-Americans, former parishioners, African American and Latino Americans joined forces together to fight the Diocese to save the church and reuse it as a Cultural Art & Community Center.
But not just for the people in Brownsville, but for all of New York City and beyond.
Furthermore, the former parishioners never abandon the church. The former parishioners have always been there when the church needed money even though they no longer lived in the area. Over the years, they have done many fundraising to help raise money for the church. The church never used that money for the upkeep of the church. They put the money in their own pocket.
It was the church that abandon the people in the community.
And for those of you who keep saying “will they put their money where their mouth is and chip in to preserve the church”? The answer is YES.
If the property is sold to their developer who will build 102 new apartments, he will also restore the church. Then the people in the community along with the Italian-Americans and former parishioners will get many organizations to help support the new community center.
Mrs. Dean of the Brownsville Heritage House on Mother Gaston Blvd in Brooklyn will move her Art Classes into the new community center for her students. The Brownsville Heritage House is in a small space on the second floor of the Public library on Mother Gaston Blvd. Mrs. Dean has helped lead the campaign to save the church.
There will also be many educational programs for the people in the area. Many other organization will be using the new community center. For example, they will open a new Knights of Columbus chapter in the community center.
The following is a list of the initial plans for the Cultural Center. The goal, for success, is to work closely with schools, residents, local community groups, and historical societies.
Art Programs; during the school year classes for kids will be held on weekends and evening classes held for adults;
Summer sessions will be held as Art Camps.
Music Recitals & Shows; Ethnic, Holidays, Classics.
Special Historical & Cultural Classes such as the History of East New York, the Five Boroughs, Immigration past & present and the understanding of different cultures.
Genealogical Classes for adults and introduction levels for kids.
Special Events and Awareness coinciding with holidays such as Columbus Day, Christmas, St. Patrick’s Day, Presidents Weekend, Kwanzaa, Chanukah and special monthly events such as Black History Month, Hispanic History Month, etc.
ESL/ Italian, Spanish, French, Asian, Russian language classes, etc.
Guest Speakers several times a year including well-known people, who were born, lived in or have a connection to ENY, Brooklyn or the boroughs.
History tours for Brooklyn and the NYC Boroughs; Book Signings and Reading Classes.
The creation of multi-cultural age groups to share cultures, foods and traditions.
A Cultural Center Gift Shop displaying, among other items, the history of Our Lady of Loreto, Brooklyn and the NY Boroughs and the impact of immigrants coming to America.
Town Hall Meetings; Blood Drives; Auctions; Toys for Tots; Food Drives; Senor Citizens; Alcoholics Anonymous.
Event Space for Weddings, Sweet Sixteen parties, Anniversary celebrations, etc.
So now you know some of the true story behind the campaign to save the church.
So stop bad mouthing the Italian-Americans and former parishioners for abandoning the church.
This was a joint force by the Italian-Americans, former parishioners, African Americans and Latino Americans.
We have finely come together for a common cause for the future of our younger generation.
Maybe this will be an example of what can be accomplished by working together.
Big jugs, you may never come back to read this, but I never said how many black Catholics there are, but only that there are more than Slopefarm thought when he wrote his comment. I am not “wrong”.
Black Catholic here, I think I know what I’m talking about. Specifically in New York City, there are plenty of black Catholics, and there are large congregations of them here in Brooklyn. The What is right – Peter Claver, as well as Our Lady of Victory, both in Bed Stuy, and St. Gregory the Great in Crown Heights, to name just three. In Manhattan, there’s a large congregation at St. Charles Borromeo in Harlem, plus many more that I’m not familiar with, because I don’t pretend to know everything.
Montrose Morris is incorrect in saying that “there are a lot more black Catholics than that, there are quite a few African American catholics not of Caribbean or African extraction…”. As the following link shows, blacks comprise a scant 3% of all Catholics in the US.
http://usccb.org/comm/backgrounders/african_american.shtml
“and anything of worth you may have to say is lost in your successful effort to be, basically, a pig. (with apologies to the porcine community)”
lol, MM.
Benson, that was funny too, about the LI crowd. Reminds me of Little Italy on a Saturday, all the cars w NJ license plates lined up in front of Pollio’s.
I didn’t mean to get everyone all twisted up about Black catholics. My point was simply more or less Montrose’s — I didn’t think the article was population suggesting the area’s Black population was somehow responsible for the church’s decay. My point was a demographic one — smaller % on avg of Blacks than Italians are Catholic, and that any reasonable reader would have understood that, as the neighborhood changed, the church had an ever-smaller worship constituency with a vested interest in preserving the building. Neighborhood economic resources have something to do with it, but those don’t come into play until the building is repurposed. A building needs a constituency to devote resources to it in order to be maintained. While there are no doubt active Black catholic churches, my point is simply that I would not have expected a 1-1 replacement of Italian catholic churchgoers with black catholic churchgoers at this location as the neighborhood changed. I think that was the implication behind the post and the articles linked, and nothing more sinister.
What, you are a crude idiot. Your “reading between the lines” exposes your own racism. You are making racist assumptions.
this is a sensible deal
remember, if they do 50 units, they take care of fifty families…. the way i put, there are 50 families doubled up sleeping on coaches and two or three to a bed waiting for this housing…..
“And will they put their money where their mouth is and chip in to preserve the church, or will they merely provide some lofty speeches,”
I agree. If they really love the church and want to save it, they should donate money or at devise a way to solicit/generate funds.